Valeria

Interviewee

Anita Isaacs

Interviewer

June 6, 2019

Mexico City, Mexico

Migrating to escape violence and sexual abuse

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Anita: I don't want to make you relive horrible experiences or talking about it. So it's up to you what you want to share or not. But if you were willing to share a little bit the reasons for you leaving for the United States with me here?


Valeria: I will be happy to do it. It's not an easy subject, but I believe that if I could share my story, maybe other girls wouldn't feel lonely. Because I felt lonely once and I know that I'm not on my own. And I feel safe in this place talking about it.


Anita: Thank you.


Valeria: Of course. Well, I was five when my mom left me and the only people that took me in was my grandparents. My grandma really likes Mexico so I spent half of my life, my childhood here. I remember [inaudible] but I live across from... It's not a security center, but it's jail. So here we call them reclusorios. And I remember the guy, my mom, my grandma's friend, I'm sorry I call her mom. My grandma's friend came and he had no money and actually no extra stuff. So my grandma, in order to help him, told him that he could rent a room inside my house. So, I instantly hated him. I didn't like him. But since I didn't have a dad, he began buying me toys and candy.


Valeria: And he kept saying that I was like a child, like his daughter, because he never had any daughters. So I began opening up to him and thinking that he was my dad, because I never had a dad. So at the moment, I didn't know what was going on. And my grandma didn't leave me for quite long time, but the moment she wasn't there, he would abuse me. And of course, I didn't know what was going on until one day. Because he was very erratical. He -- one day he was happy and the other he was just out of his mind.


Valeria: One day I was playing with my dolls and I remember him calling people and locking the whole actual home, mobile home doors, windows, everything. And he kept talking to people. And I heard that, I overheard actually, that he was going to take care of me, that I was his, and that they could do whatever they wanted with my grandma. Of course, I was really little, I was like four or five. And I obviously knew that there was something wrong. I saw my grandma crying. I saw him hitting her and nothing was happening to me. I wanted to help my grandma, but he never… he would push me away and tell me that everything was okay and that I was going to go to a safe place. Of course I didn't believe him because I saw how he hit my grandma.


Valeria: So, my house is divided in a funny way. So, we have our own house, two floor house and on the back we have little apartments where people could live, right? So, we have a a kitchen window and the kitchen window, if you would jump, you could go to the apartments. So I had a friend that lived over there, a little girl. So I remembered and I told him, could I go drink some water? At first, he was really hesitant. He didn't quite want to let me go drink some water alone. But I told him that I was fine and I loved him. I tried to fool him at five years old. So I jumped out of the window. I called one of my neighbors and he saw me and he had my grandma's hair. He was pulling her hair and telling me that if I was going to do something stupid, he will kill her there.


Valeria: So I started crying and my neighbor, he was a guy, he told them that he didn't have to do that, he was going to give him money. And my grandma had money because of my grandpa, so they gave him money in order for him to walk away. He walked away. But the next day he came with his car, and we have our garage. So he backed up the car and got into the house. We remember hiding in the apartment upstairs because he was looking desperately for us. We called the police, he left but my grandma knew that he came for us, to take us because the first time I believe that money wasn't enough and maybe he wanted me or both of us. So the next day he called my grandpa and stated that it wasn't a safe place to be anymore.


Valeria: So about a week later, we gather our things, and since we couldn't do the paperwork. Because my grandpa always wanted for us to have the residency is to live in the United States, but we never actually thought about it, but I don't know, my grandma we really didn't think about it. But she grabbed her stuff, and then next week we were in the United States because of that reason. I never told anybody that until I got into to the States and I took sex ed. I remember when they first started talking about it because my grandma is very religious. So, no riding bikes or watching TV or having any mobile phones. So I didn't know really what sex was. So I was 13 when I found out that I was raped when I was little. And I remember thinking, me thinking about how other girls get raped and thinking that must be so hard.


Valeria: And when I knew that a person who I thought loved me was raping me at such a young age, something happened in me and it just clicked. So I started behaving bad and I didn't know how to respond because I was getting bullied at my school. So this is a random thing but so my best friend in middle school was pregnant. They thought it was me or she blamed it on me. We used to send letters, like those little letters in classroom. So they caught us one, like many, but one of them, my math teacher read it. And he sent us to the office. And I didn't want to say that my friend was the one that was pregnant. So I never said anything. I was like, I'm not going to say anything. I didn't want to snitch on her per se.


Valeria: She blamed it all on me. My grandpa came, he was furious. And they did tests and I told them that there was no way of him testing that I was a virgin because I was raped. He didn't know what to say. Nobody knew what to say. I never told anybody this. He was the first one that heard it. And he never said anything.Maybe because he was embarrassed of it.


Anita: This Is your grandpa?


Valeria: Yes. He has never talked to me about this stuff. He's very closed-minded, I say?

And he never talked about it. So I got suspension. So when I came back, all kids

thought I went away for like about a week because I aborted. So they started

rumors and they started throwing food at me, it was horrible. It wasn't their fault.

Now I know that because it was just rumors, but they used to beat me up in the

restrooms. They used to throw food at me, sing songs to a point that I didn't go to

the cafeteria. I used to eat in the restroom.


Valeria: So all of that was going on while me knowing that I was raped and my mom

never wanting me around and not able to speak to anybody because my family's

so closed-minded about it. So I decided to tell my grandma... I understand her

now. But at first, when she told me, I hated her for such a long time. She told me

that it was my own fault. She told me to not hang out with him and I didn't obey. I did whatever I wanted. And she told me many times not to do it. So at that point I thought, but I was a minor. I was five. How could I have the responsibility toknow who to hang out with and who not to hang out with? It made me feel so guilty to a point that I thought I was guilty. It was a horrible experience, I remember it. But then my mom used to visit me once a year. She has a visa and everything, but she used to visit me once a year. I never knew why she did it, but she told me that she thought it was best for me.


Anita: So let me go over a few things. So this might be what you just said, why did your mom leave you?


Valeria: I just talked to her recently because I never knew why. I don't hate her, I love my

mom. But she told me that when she got pregnant, she was in college. She's a

lawyer. So she was in college and then she got married when I was around a year

old. So this was not my father. So the guy didn't want my mom to move me in

because he left to Baja California. So he didn't want me to go there. So my mom

knew that my grandma was going to take me. She never knew about the incident. My grandparents for some reason did not tell my mom. So my mom thought that I was leaving to get a better school and economical life. She thought it was the best for me. So that's why she let me be or leave. So she used to come around, she saw how I was so sad. So here's the thing why me and my grandma got separated. My mom took me in because she thought that I was depressed. I tried to kill myself.


Anita: How old were you then?


Valeria: I'm 22.


Anita: No. When your mom took you in?


Valeria: I was around 16. I tried to kill myself the first time when I was 13. And then I

tried to kill myself when I was 14. It was with pills the second time was in a

moving vehicle. I didn't get any harm done, just bruises and stuff. But I was on

the freeway and when they realized that I was going to do that, they slowed down

the car and my grandma grabbed me. So I couldn't get out of the car.


Anita: What do you mean? You tried to throw yourself in front of a moving vehicle?


Valeria: No, I was inside the moving vehicle and we were in the freeway. So I wanted to

throw myself out. You could say that my grandma saved my life because she

grabbed me. I hit the floor immediately, but my head never did. So it was just my

arm and she grabbed me and nothing happened, but they never took me to a

psychologist or anything like that. I don't know why. I hoped, I… now that I think about it, I wish they would have, but nobody did.


Valeria: Because she was the only person who I think I could open up with, maybe

because she didn't know me. I could open up to her. I'm in my head she was my

friend. She was this fun person. And she let me do a lot of things. She was the

first person who taught me how to ride a bicycle, which I was stressing I didn't know how to ride a bike. But she was the only person who kind of got me because I had no friends. So she told me that if it was okay, she could take me, she had a job now she had money and she could take care of me. So I said yes, because my grandpa was about to do the paperwork for us to get our... It was our citizenship now because he's now a US citizen. So she told me it was about five months that I was going to be with her and then I was going to move back. But she thought it will help me for me to live with her a little while.


Valeria: So I said, yes. I came back five months to Mexico, five months passed, and my

grandma came. I saw her. And then we directly went to the courts. They never did

the legal paperwork for the adoption. Here in Mexico whenever a parent decides

to walk away, they just take you in and put in the last names in the birth certificate

as if they were my biological parents. It's a thing that they do in Mexico. I was

unaware about it.


Anita: So, they put your grandparents' names as your biological parents?


Valeria: Yes. Because that's something that a lot of people do here actually, because they

don't go through the legal work. They just... “oh, she's not here, I'll take care of her.” So, that's what they did. So my grandpa he's old and so is my grandma. So they didn't know much about it. So they hired a lawyer. The lawyer said it was okay. So we went to the embassy and my grandma when... They did an interview and she was asked if I was her biological kid, she said, yes, because she doesn't speak that much English. So she said, yes. So immediately it was about a two, maybe four hour process and it turned into a whole day.


Valeria: Basically they accused my grandma of child trafficking. So we had to fight it and prove that it was, I don't want to say ignorance, but my parents were ignorant about the whole process, I mean, they tried their best and they weren't aware of that they had to do a whole legal paperwork for the adoption papers. Now then the time passed as she was on probation for about a year. Then they told her that she could never go to the United States anymore. My grandpa didn't do anything else. I thought that the same thing, like the same punishment was for me too. So I never tried, I never did anything. We waited a long time, so I was 18 and nothing happened. So now I'm older, I'm an adult now. So I don't think I could follow up with that.


Valeria: And I've always wanted to finish college, even if it was like community college, I just always wanted to do something for myself. Because here is very, very hard. My mom has struggled for many, many years. She's a lawyer now, but she had to do a lot of things in order to get that way. Well, to the point that she is now, she works for the government, but she doesn't get paid very well. And we actually make fun of her because my grandpa, well, actually my grandpa he's a gardener.


Anita: He's a gardener?


Valeria: Yeah, he is a gardener. He wins the exact same amount in a week than my mom does in a month. So we make fun of him cutting grass and stuff. And my mom, she has a master's degree (laughs), and she earns the exact same thing. So I know it's funny but it's the truth. Here in Mexico, you could become a lawyer. I don't know, a doctor and you might not earn as much money. So I've always wanted to have a home. When I came back here, unfortunately here, it's very, very unsafe. I ride the subway every day. I've had people jerk off next to me or masturbate next to me.


Valeria: When I got raped again, it was by a taxi driver. I actually got pregnant. And because I was in such a depressive state, I tried to commit suicide again. And instead of it killing me with antidepressants, I killed my baby. So I had a miscarriage. It was horrible. I remember not telling anybody, not my mom, nobody knew. Just going to the hospital and just bleeding in the floor and nobody did anything. I went into surgery and then that was it. I finally told my mom and we went to, well, the police. But they stated that since I had no plate numbers, nothing, it was like looking for a ghost. That's exactly what they told me. It's like looking for a ghost. We're not going to find him. So they did nothing about it. And that was it.


Anita: Can we go back to the States for a second?


Valeria: Of course.


Anita: School wasn't fun?


Valeria: It was amazing. My teachers were great. I've had plenty of teachers, actually one that changed my life and way of thinking was Mr. Martinez. He was a history teacher and he was the one who, whenever I didn't have a place to eat, like the cafeteria, he will just say that I could stay in and eat with other teachers. And I actually became real friends with my teachers. They taught me a lot and he made me love history and I had many English teachers and I love writing. I used to go to a magnet school, which is for smart kids kind. So I used to be a great student actually. So I won an award, the State recognized the award for writing a short story. But to me, I'm really proud of it. Because me being an immigrant and coming from Mexico and learning a new language within a year, because I learned it too quickly because I hated that people made fun of me because I didn't know how to speak it.


Valeria: So I remember that before I got into school, I used to go to like books and study and watch TV. I actually learned a lot of my English from Two and a Half Men, which is a sitcom, it's one of my favorites. So I used to learn things from that. And at first I taught myself and then I went to school and obviously that reinforced it a lot much more, but I loved it. I know I got bullied and I know it wasn't really fun place because of the bullying. But regarding the teachers, the school, it was amazing.


Anita: What was your short story? Do you remember the short story for which you won an award? What was it about?


Valeria: Oh, yes. It was about, I've always wanted to be a dancer when I was little. So it was about a girl. It was about me. About a girl who used to be a dancer and then her leg got amputated. It's kind of like a reference of how I was studying ballet here and then I've moved to the States and I just got so depressive that a part of me wasn't there anymore. So even though I loved it, I stopped doing it. And I've always wanted to become a prima ballerina, but I never got the chance to, so that won an award. Yes, it was kind of like a reference. I didn't want to say it literally, but it was kind of like a reference of me and that won an award.


Anita: So it was as if part of you got cut off from what stayed in Mexico, is that what

you're saying?


Valeria: Yeah. Exactly.


Anita: Can you say that as a whole sentence?


Valeria: Like if a part of me was amputated and left in Mexico. Not fully me was a hundred percent in the States and it's like living a partial life. 50 in the States, 50 here, so you're not an American because you will never be, you're not a true Mexican because you will never be. So it's kind of like, what are you? It's weird. But I’ve learned to embrace it.


Anita: You need to write more, you know.


Valeria: Yes. I am actually writing a book right now. It's nothing professional by any means, but I'm writing a book. And actually, the friend that came along with me, he's the one who has always encouraged me because I was so depressed. But he has always helped me. And my mom too. She's always been there for me. I know that she left me and she wasn't there when I needed her, but I love my mom. I truly, truly love my mom. She talks to me like if she was my friend, my mom too. But she has always told me that it doesn't matter who you are as a person, if you been educated, gone to college, if you're anything in life, you could always write a book. That stuck to me my entire life.


Anita: What's your book about?


Valeria: It's actually not about me at all, but it's kind of like a science fiction, because I'm a little geek.


Anita: You like science fiction?


Valeria: Yes. Quite a lot. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings. It's about mythology and all that stuff. Kind of like Game of Thrones.


Anita: I'm on season five.


Valeria: Oh, it's a lot, but I'm on season four. But I don't want to finish it quite because I'm also a fan of Lord of the Rings. So I kind of want to write a book about that type.


Anita: So you got bullied at school, why?


Valeria: Because people thought I had an abortion because of rumors of my best friend. I understand why she did it. It wasn't fair, but I never stood up for myself. And at some point I just let people believe it.


Anita: But didn't they know she was pregnant?


Valeria: No.


Anita: But what happened to her? She had an abortion?


Valeria: Oh, she walked away and then she had her kid later on. But I think she dropped out of school. So nobody actually knew. So it kept and people used to call me a slut and offensive words. And they used to throw money at me. Guys would do horrible things to me. I remember that the chairs were aligned and a guy used to put his knee on my butt and just kept touching me. And I couldn't say anything because he used to say that I liked it. That I was a slut anyway. So I never told anybody that until I got to AC, I believe is... What was it called? ACP. when they put like-


Anita: AP?


Valeria: Yeah, like bad kids. I don't what is it called it, ACPA? I believe we call it ACP. It's within the school. It's not like juvie or anything or boot camp. It's within the school when you have a troubled kids or teenagers, they put you in a separate room. So you don't get to talk and you get to go to the cafeteria in a certain time when none of the other students are there.


Valeria: So I believe it was called ACP or something like that. I don't quite remember, but I was there because they thought I was a bad kid. And I was because I didn't want to do my work because I was depressed and they kept... “Why aren't you doing your work and used to be such a good student, why you're not doing this?” And I used to reply back because I was so mad, but not mad at my teachers. I was mad at myself, so I became a bad kid. Not really, but I became a bad kid. So I had to go to therapy, which was a good thing twice a week. And I used to study by my own in a quiet classroom. And we just had assignments. No one-on-one teacher, there was a guard, but it was through assignments by our own personal teachers. But it was a bad thing, yes. But it encouraged me not to be bad because a lot of people that I've seen that migrate to the States, not all of them, because I have a person in my family who is a Dreamer. He's the first one in his high school. Not in his class, in the actual high school.


Valeria: I know that not all of them become that way, but some kids, including everybody, thinks that being bad is cool, for some reason. When you're in middle school or high school, you think that being bad is cool or it's like, ah, bad-ass or whatever. But it changed how I thought because of therapy. That I was just angry. I was never a bad kid. I was an actually great student and that I was losing all that time in being disrespectful to my teachers and my grandparents. And I didn't have to, I was just angry at myself.


Anita: You had a lot of reasons to be angry.


Valeria: Oh yes, of course I had my reasons, but I had to understand that it wasn't my fault. And I had to understand that, yes, it happened, but it made me stronger.


Anita: So you didn't want the pregnancy test because you were afraid that they would find out that you weren't a virgin?


Valeria: No no no. My grandpa wanted to do the pregnancy test. I remember... Well my mentor from middle school, we kept fighting about it. I didn't want to do it and they asked me why, if I wasn't hiding anything, I shouldn’t have been afraid. It was a little bit too much for me. So, I just yelled it out. And I said, I was raped. You can do the test. It will not work because I'm no longer a virgin. If you want to do the test to verify that I'm not pregnant, do it. But my grandpa kept wanting me to do a test to see if I was sexually active. Just so he could know, because my family's very closed-minded. So he wanted to do it. And I didn't want to, because I was afraid and ashamed when he... He was talking like if I wasn't in the room. And they were deciding for me, so I just exploded. And I just stated that I was raped and to stop, because if he was going to do it, it was okay but I wasn't a virgin. Basically, that's why I said it.


Anita: But you weren't pregnant?


Valeria: No, They did the pregnancy test and everything.


Anita: So why did people believe you were pregnant?


Valeria: So this was like my mentor... Well, my school teacher and everybody that was there from my school, they stated that it was going to be confidential. So people weren't going to know about this. Nobody was going to know about this, but my friend before she left, she started spreading rumors. So people wouldn't think that she was the one pregnant. And since I got a little bit of time out of school, about a week or so. So the rumors kind of like matched per se.


Anita: And you couldn't dispel them?


Valeria: I tried to at the beginning, I was like, how could I be pregnant and come back to school? And nobody cared. So at some point, I remember going to the restroom and some girls beating me up because their boyfriend was hitting on me. They stated that I was the one flirting. I was a little girl not even knowing about sex that much. And people kept telling me that I was a tease and everything. And I remember them hitting me and me not doing nothing. I wasn't even-


Anita: This is so strange because we've heard so many stories about young Mexican immigrants who become pregnant. And here it is your story of a young Mexican immigrant who didn't become pregnant, but who carried this kind of burden-


Valeria: In me. And I remember standing up to the cafeteria and being like, I'm not a slut and I've never gotten pregnant and them just throwing food at me. So nobody cared, only the teachers did. Not even the principal did anything. I don't think it got to that degree that she knew, but only my teachers knew about it. And they try to stop them, and whenever they hear something mean to me, they were like, hey, stop. But of course they cannot control everything. So it was mostly between us, the kids. So at some point when I was getting beaten up, I remember just going like, I'm done fighting it. If you want to call me a slut, call me a slut.


Anita: So it was that sort of horror treatment and the depression that brought you back to

Mexico.


Valeria: Yeah. My mom actually saw all of that. When I tried to kill myself the second time in the car because I did it with pills. Well, fortunately I just got really sick, but the second time around my grandma witnessed it. So she immediately called my mom.


Anita: So if you'd stayed in the US, if things have been different, what do you think you would have done with your life?


Valeria: Honestly, I would have been depressed still. Maybe I would have gotten pregnant at an early age. Maybe I would have dropped out of school because of my depression. So actually I thank my mom for bringing me back. I mean, a lot of things happened here, of course it wasn't fun either. Because I got raped again. But I learned from it. My mom took me to a life coach. She's the only one who took me to a psychiatrist, a psychologist. And they're the ones who diagnosed me with bipolar, I'm sorry, BPD it's borderline personality disorder. So I understood why I was sometimes depressed and not even knowing why, because of the traumatic experience. And I didn't know how to have ongoing life with it. So I started working and honestly, I'm working, yes, because I'm raising money to study because the public college that we have here, which is really good UNAM, they don't have marketing for... They do have it but as a PhD, you don't have a direct degree on it.


Anita: What is it that you want to do?


Valeria: Marketing.


Anita: Marketing.


Valeria: Yes. I wanted to be a psychologist for the longest time, but I need to help myself first in order to help others. But I think marketing has some hints of psychologyas well, but in a fun way. Like colors and how to portray a certain project for any type of audience or customer. So I really liked that. And when I was little, I really like commercials and all that kind of stuff. And I don't know, I always wanted to do something creative, but also that had psychology in it. So I think that's the best of both worlds. So I want to study that, but here the one that I want to study, it's not cheap. It's really expensive and my mom can't afford it. So she helps me out because when I got raped, I got into deep, deep depression.


Valeria: I used to go to high school here. And my mentor there told me to just leave, that I couldn't be in the school anymore because I was depressed. And I was always sleepy because I used to take two antidepressants. And one quetiapine, it's to slow down your brain, kind of like make you sleep a lot. So I was always sleepy. So they just told my mom that it was best for me to take some time out. I took some time out. I got more depressed because there was nothing to do. So I got more depressed. So I didn't finish my high school. So now I'm going to school on the weekends. And this job is actually, I think it is quite unfair, but it does allow me or at least it respects my working hours. So I have time to study while I'm working so I get to pay it.


Anita: As a child though, before you were bullied, before all of this happened to you, If this whole pregnancy thing, this whole thing wouldn’t have happened, can you imagine what you might've done with your life in the US?


Valeria: Oh, yes. I might have become a psychologist. Because when I was little, I used to be obsessed with it. And I think I might've gone to college and maybe become a Dreamer. And maybe not now, but in the future maybe had a family.


Anita: Or you could have one here.


Valeria: Yeah, I could always do that, but I want to be prepared first.


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